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I've long had the ambition to write up notes on the whole series.  The idea for the project was born from an intensive conversation my brother and I had episode-by-episode covering the first four seasons (and more loosely about the last three).  It was fun going back and forth with him.  I invited Bro to co-write these notes with me, and he sort of agreed.  Alas, he's intensely overcommited with the full time job, the three kids, and the wife who is rather demanding.  I'm about a third of the way into season two, and Bro (who unaccountably wants to go by the moniker 'Strudel') is only through episode six of season one.  I finally told him I needed to start posting -- if I don't do this now, it's never going to happen.  So, I'll post once a week until I hit the Bro-less patch, and assuming he's still too overcommitted to write up his reactions,  I'll carry on from there posting twice a week.

The project isn't a set of reviews.  Although I value reading reviews that give lots of quotes or pics, it's not my own style.  What I've got are a set of observations that inform my reading of the themes of the show as they develop.  It's pretty much my write-up of a show that has consumed far too much of my energy over the last several years.  I'll often speak of foreshadowing, but that doesn't mean I'm at all committing to the idea that there was some fixed design from the word go -- it's a short hand for talking about the resonances that end up in the text as it unspools.

NOTE: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtVS.  If they become relevant I'll spoil through the comics as well.  Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.

The first set of notes are below the cut!

1.01   Welcome to the Hellmouth, in Which the Scoobies Meet, and Giles and Vampires Remind Buffy that She is the Chosen One, and Angel Lurks Mysteriously While the Master Rises.


Welcome to the Hellmouth does a great job of introducing a lot of the major themes.


1.  Nothing is as it seems


Maggie:  In his interview on the season one DVD, that’s what Joss says.  It’s incidentally also the opening line for Dollhouse.  The game is to overthrow expectations, and that’s exactly what the opening scene does.  Twice.  The concept for the show was what if the blonde in the opening act of the horror movie turned out to be a blonde superhero who kicked the monster’s ass.  So here’s the blonde in the opening act.  Except she’s neither the victim who screams and gets eaten nor the superhero.  She’s the monsterSurprise. 


Oh, and she’s not even just a throwaway monster.  The first major character we meet in BtVS is Darla, not Buffy.   Darla with Buffy-like hair, in a school girl’s uniform.  Darla who is Angel’s sire and centuries-long lover.   Darla who is the one who causes Angel to lose his soul for the first time.  Darla who is the one with whom Angel tries to lose his soul for a third time.  The monster and the heroine have oddly similar effects on Angel.  Angel left Buffy so she could have a normal life.   But Angel’s the one who gets to have a kid – with Darla.  The monster is the monster and the superhero is the superhero, but isn’t it interesting that we get all that blurring in the opening scene of the whole series?  The first glimpse we get of Buffy is the twisted distorted mirror of Buffy we find in Darla.


Strudel interjects:  It’s interesting, knowing how the character will evolve, to see Darla initially played as a squeaky girl, even when revealed as a vampire.  What’s more interesting is that even as she evolves (or is re-written) as a character, and drops a register and become a cooler, more sultry presence, she will continue to be a mirror for Buffy.


2.  Buffy is a hero


Maggie:  Though there’s that hint of darkness at Buffy’s introduction, the introduction of Buffy herself lays out the many dimensions along which she is a genuine hero.  


Strudel interjects:  It’s worth pausing a moment to reflect on the rather extraordinary fact that we need to establish that Buffy is a hero.  Of course she’s a hero:  the title of the Series says so!  But, ultimately  it’s not so clear as that and the layers of debate that can be had on the subject are a tribute to Joss and the writers.  For now, given that there are so many reasons to view her as unheroic, or even as an anti-hero, it’s imperitive to start from the beginning by noting that despite all that, she is also a hero.

Maggie replies: I wouldn't go so far as to call Buffy either unheroic or an anti-hero.  Mostly I want to say that she turns out to be more complex than your garden-variety superhero.

Maggie:  As Buffy tells Giles, being a slayer means being kicked out of school, losing one’s friends, and having to fight for her life without being able to tell anyone because it might endanger them.   What she doesn’t mention is where the season ends up: and that’s with the fact that she’s likely to actually die.  Although her (understandable) reaction is to run from all of this, she can’t help but go and investigate when she hears about a dead body.  And when she sees Willow in danger, she has to go save her.


The episode illustrates all of these costs.  She meets with the principal who wants to be welcoming and forgiving but who immediately distances himself when he sees her actual record.  And we get a lot on the social costs.  In trying to save Willow, Buffy nearly accidentally slays Cordelia, who promptly spreads the word that Buffy is weird.  (Very understated but the near accidental slaying is a nod to the threat slayers pose to civilians, a theme that becomes explicit in season 3; Cordelia is not wrong to be freaked out by it).   In the Bronze, Buffy sees Giles up on the balcony, and he calls her attention to the others out there dancing -- she’s separate from them, with a duty to protect them.  (The scene gets called back in season six in Dead Things when Spike adds another layer to Buffy’s fundamental separation from others – but it starts here in the very first episode).  No doubt, Buffy's 'otherness' as a slayer is to be a theme front and central to the series as a whole. 


2.  Buffy and the Scoobies.  The episode also launches the important theme of the Scoobies and their role in Buffy’s life.  Slaying might mean having no friends, and especially not being able to tell others what she does for fear of endangering them.  But Xander and Willow immediately learn who and what Buffy is, and become her friends anyway.  That, of course, is what makes Buffy different from all the other slayers.    The introduction of the scoobies sets the tone for the complexity of Buffy’s interactions with them.  On the one hand, one of her major heroic acts in the first episode is to choose the ‘losers’ over Cordelia.  This means a great deal to Willow, especially.   Buffy is cool in a way that they are not.  On the other hand, Buffy needs Xander and Willow.  The cool kids really aren’t ever going to be down with the weirdness that’s part of being a slayer.  And without the Scoobies Buffy would be alone in the dark.  Buffy needs the Scoobies and that’s an important part of their dynamic going forward.


Strudel:  All these social pressures highlight one of the huge peculiarities about our hero here:  she’s a teenage girl.  Classic heroes aren’t cut from this cloth at all, so Buffy – ever the fashion maven – is going to have to chart her own unique course.  And a recurring issue in the series are the enormous challenges she will face trying to square two utterly incongruent lives.  Much of what I find heroic about this character is how – despite having this heroic burden mystically thrust upon her, and despite having to sacrifice much of what she had been brought up to think was her entitlement to a relatively frivolous, selfish adolescence as a result – she copes with this burden.  In other words, I find her struggles with her non-heroic source material to be the most heroic thing about her.


3.  A bit of foreshadowing.  Finally, the episode ends with Buffy’s life in danger.  She overcomes.  But the episode also introduces us to the season’s arc about the Master, and in Prophecy Girl, Buffy does not overcome.  She really will lose her life.  Twice, even.  The show does a good job of making real for us just how serious this risk or sacrifice is, even though it’s playing within the bounds of a convention that says that the heroine can’t get killed.


4.  Angel.  We’re also introduced into Buffy’s other major means of not suffering the total social cost of being a slayer.  In the line that segues to the scene where she meets him, Buffy tells her mother that she intends to hang out with the living from now on.  Angel is introduced as dark and threatening.  The first reversal will be that he’s got a soul and is actually an ally (albeit not a very useful one in season one).    The second reversal will be that the soul is detachable and he actually is dark and threatening.    (I'm reminded of the line from Dr. Horrible, where Penny says that Captain Hammer is cheesy on the outside, but has a deeper layer, and Billy replies that he's got a third deeper layer that's the same as the first one.  Like pie.)  For the record the first thing Angel says to Buffy is a lie – he tells her he thought she’d be taller , when in fact he’s already seen her.   Angel is cryptic and elusive in the scene, and he plays it to get her intrigued and wanting more.  In other words, he starts with manipulation.


Strudel:  Speaking of confounding heroes, it’s going to be hard to top Angel for confoundment.  For now, suffice to say that on the surface he gets this mystery aura treatment that portends future heroism.  But always with Angel, it is important to look closely at the actions underneath the sheen.  And as you say, he starts with manipulation.  He tells Buffy enough to let her know that he is in the know, but he hides what he is, what he knows and how he knows it. 


Once the whole Angel back story is revealed, it raises some very troubling questions about what Angel is trying to accomplish here.  In theory, he has been given a chance to  redeem himself by helping the Slayer, but his approach in these initial episodes indicates that he hasn’t bought into that yet.  He materializes to give her vague warnings and odd clues and then melts into the darkness before doing anything more than unsettling her.  Is he really trying to help her, or is he trying first to lure her?  Has he even decided yet if he wants to redeem himself?  If he has, he seems to show very little clue how to go about it.


And so, in the end, we find yet another reflection back on Buffy’s heroism.  She is the teenage girl who accepts her fate, having her powers and her mission dumped on her by the Powers That Be.  Angel, too, has had powers thrust upon him (by Darla) and a mission (by Whistler on behalf of the Powers That Be).  More than that, he has a reason to want to accomplish that mission (the guilt he suffers thanks to the soul that was thrust upon him).  Angel’s recalcitrant, ambivalent acceptance of his fate and embrace of the mission is a stark contrast to Buffy, who, however she complains, manages for the most part to do her job.


5.  Buffy/Xander/Angel.  The show opens up clearly intending to play this triangle or at least to play off the audience’s expectation of a triangle.  When we meet Xander, he is so taken by Buffy he skates into a handrail and is knocked over.  The standard male POV story here is that the nerdy guy ends up with the hot chick at the end of the story.  The hot chick might be initially attracted to the suave bad boy, but she usually ends up with the outwardly nerdy, inwardly heroic good boy.   Angel plays at being the hero.  But Xander is the one who actually is brave enough to go after vampires with Buffy, while Angel explicitly says he’s afraid to.  (Though what he’s really afraid of is having his status as a vampire revealed to Buffy by the other vampires who know him).  Xander is the one who brings Buffy back to life in Prophecy Girl, not Angel.  If the standard trope played out, Buffy would see past the illusion of Angel’s attractions to get to the real deal which is Xander.  Could be that’s still the end game – but the triangle sputters out somewhere in season two.  Notice that even if the original intention was just to play out the trope, it is still being subverted here.  Cause the next thing we learn about Xander is that he’s as oblivious to the charms of his nerdy best gal pal as Buffy is oblivious to his.  Just how strongly can we feel the righteous cause of the overlooked nerdy boy when he himself is perfectly happy to overlook the perfectly wonderful nerdy girl who is crushing on him?


6.  Random Observation.  I love that Buffy’s reaction to a crypt is to joke about how a few throw pillows could make it homey.    Spike isn’t a blip on the radar at this point.  But the opening episode solidly lays down the idea that expectations are to be overthrown, so it’s not surprising that at some point we’d be introduced to a character who is all about overthrowing expectations.


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Date: 2010-08-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hi there. I stumbled onto your journal. And I absolutely LOVE. THIS. These observations are so, so great.

The monster is the monster and the superhero is the superhero, but isn’t it interesting that we get all that blurring in the opening scene of the whole series?

This is particularly interesting given what we eventually find out about the origins of Buffy's powers--and the many shades of gray in the good/evil spectrum. I'd never thought about it those themes getting set up so early on.

The scene gets called back in season six in Dead Things when Spike adds another layer to Buffy’s fundamental separation from others – but it starts here in the very first episode). No doubt, Buffy's 'otherness' as a slayer is to be a theme front and central to the series as a whole.

Love this observation.

I hope it's OK if I add you--I really would like to keep up with this series.

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Date: 2010-08-16 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thanks! And always happy to be friended!

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Date: 2010-08-16 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile]
Interesting stuff! I do wonder how much, if anything, of the future history for Angel and Darla was mapped out at the beginning - but it's a tribute to the quality of the writing that we can work out explanations for their behaviour in S1 based on what we later discover about them.

I don't know if you've seen the movie or read the shooting script or the comicbook adaptation of it? It's quite interesting to see both how Joss drew a line under the aspects of the movie he didn't want to keep in his TV series, but also, I think, played off some of the characterisation he'd established before - it adds depth to Buffy choosing Willow and Xander over Cordelia, for example.

Just how strongly can we feel the righteous cause of the overlooked nerdy boy when he himself is perfectly happy to overlook the perfectly wonderful nerdy girl who is crushing on him

*Re-quoting this just because I like it.* :-)

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Date: 2010-08-16 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thanks! I doubt it was fully mapped out -- though Joss must have known that Darla was the ex and Buffy was the love interest since I figure season one pretty much got worked out as a whole. (Indeed, they reshot scenes from episode one towards the end of the season's shoot, didn't they?). I think the real knack was to take what had been laid down and play off of it -- see, e.g. the balcony scene echo in season 6.

The movie is coming to Netflix streaming soon, so I will finally watch it!

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Date: 2010-08-16 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Wonderful! I really look forward to reading more of these. I've never spent much time parsing season 1, but there's surely a lot to talk about and you've really got the ball rolling.

1. Someone (I don't remember who--macha at TATF maybe?) pointed out that Darla's appearing before Buffy points out the real chronology of demons & people we've been told: the demons came first, and then the humans and civilization. It goes back both to Joss' non-Christian theology (Giles mentions in "The Harvest" that the world did not start with a paradise) as well as hearkening to Westerns, where there is an untamed frontier that the Lone Ranger Hero must tame. The lone hero part gets subverted, but the Hero part taming the wilderness of demons is more firmly entrenched. The idea of the demonic as the source of power, with humanity on the top and the surface, continues through both shows, as well as Firefly which plays around with the Western hero vs. "savages" (actually humanity's fault).

2. Buffy's a hero. It's the only show where the protagonist is actually a hero; Angel and Mal are anti-heroes and Echo is mostly an empty vessel until season two. Joss doesn't seem all that interested in heroes qua heroes; though Angel and Mal and eventually Ballard get heroic trappings, they are undercut frequently, even if it's not always entirely clear when they are supposed to be. Buffy has a few things going for her that are interesting and a little surprising from Joss the Existentialist: she has unironic Christian symbology (well, mostly unironic, since the cross comes from Angel), and we are told that her instincts are mostly intrinsically reliable. (Buffy's instincts are almost always correct, but it's often extremely difficult for her to follow them, or even understand them--hence her big difficulty.) I think a lot of this comes down to the tension between Joss distrusting traditional heroes, and wanting a traditional hero who is a strong woman, and I think the clash between Buffy's essentialist heroism (she can identify vamps by sight, and later on mostly has good knee-jerk moral judgments while the various evil patriarchy metaphors don't) and Joss' existentialism is very interesting, even if it doesn't always work out entirely in the show's favour. (I'd say it usually does, but then I'm a fan so of course I'd say that.)

WttH does a good job of laying out what Buffy's fundamental sacrifices are in the name of slaying. Giles' scene at the balcony is so very creepy in light of "Dead Things" (and I think Joss jokes on the commentary that no way should a teacher be that close to a student), and so the episode also lays out pretty quickly the threat Giles poses to Buffy-the-person, as hard as he tries (eventually) to be there for her as well as for Buffy-the-slayer.

2. (Two 2's!) So far, the Scoobies are Willow and Xander, and Jesse who is a bit of a blip on the radar and mostly a proof-of-concept that Joss can kill people when he wants to. (Good on you, Joss!) There's another element to talk about with the Scoobies, even as early as this episode, and that's the way Xander and Willow react to Buffy not just for her coolness but for her heroism. Certainly they are amazed that someone cool would hang out with them, but very quickly in this and "The Harvest" they are exposed to her life as the slayer and they decide that they want to help. Buffy has to protect them, and doesn't want them involved, but relents. And here you have the fundamental issue: if Buffy is a representative of what all women could be, and by extension of what all people can be, and do in their own lives, then why is it that Xander and Willow (among others) are excluded from that? Why is Buffy the slayer, the Hero, the icon, and where does that leave people like Xander and Willow who are NOT the icon?


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Date: 2010-08-16 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
In WttH, Buffy tells Willow to "seize the day," and Willow immediately goes out with a vampire and nearly gets herself killed. This is Willow's arc in a nutshell: Buffy (and Giles, and Jenny) open up a world to Willow that she could never have found herself, and Willow, emotionally and physically unprepared for it, gets in over her head and nearly dies. Buffy encourages the clearly upset Willow to be more like Buffy, and Willow wants to be more like Buffy (and with her later sexuality in mind, you can read some sexual attraction to Buffy in there as well). Buffy is not responsible for what happens to Willow, but when she says to seize the day I don't think Buffy realizes exactly how little Willow is prepared either a) for the world of vampires (because Buffy is the slayer, and can handle them), and b) the world of men (because Buffy is cool and popular and worldly, and can handle them). Willow isn't prepared, and doesn't have the Hero Cred of Buffy's instincts, which is why her gradual power-up both literally (with magic) and metaphorically (her increasing confidence) lead to disaster, because she doesn't have the inherent tools that Buffy does. The show deals with this difficulty (Buffy is an everywoman hero, and she is alone) again and again, particularly with Dawn, and Chosen is a response to it--but of course one that season eight is in the process of (perhaps awkwardly) deconstructing. Similarly, Xander (and this is more "The Harvest" than WttH) is smitten with and threatened by Buffy and what she represents (strong woman, hot, able to take care of herself!). Does a strong woman necessarily mean that men can't be strong as well? And what role do men have in a narrative with a strong woman? The different (partly because of gender, partly just because they are different characters) stories with Xander and Willow end (in the TV series) with Willow even more powerful than Buffy (though still not the Slayer and thus still not the icon/protagonist) and Xander accepting his role as being less powerful, but I think both of their arcs are interesting reactions to Buffy.

4. It's pretty hard to parse Angel right now. But even if he wasn't written at the time with much clarity, the fact that Joss et al. went there later on and were as willing as they were to trash Angel's stated motivations works well with their decision to make him the anti-hero they did. Joss knew in Becoming that he was going to restore Angel's soul and make us all feel terrible for him when he dies, so having Angel spy on Lolita-Buffy, and making a liar out of him for his previous statements, seems like a deliberate choice and not an insignificant one. It's a bit similar to your comments about Darla: from very little information an entire backstory was constructed which intensified the Darla/Buffy parallels. I like your brother's observation about Angel vs. Buffy--Buffy accepts her burden when she doesn't have to, and Angel believes strongly that he has to and still doesn't. Even in season six, Buffy still goes out and slays, even if you could say (less generously) that it's more about pretending to be normal and okay at this point than out of pure morality. (But that's okay--what is pure morality, anyway?)

5. Willow's presence also is probably part of the reason Buffy never considers Xander all that seriously, anyway--note that in "Prophecy Girl" Buffy brings up Willow when Xander's trying to ask her out, and in "When She Was Bad" Willow is granted equal focus in Angel and Willow reaction shots to The Sexy Dance. Buffy knows about Willow's feelings, and recognizes that Buffy has a lot more options than Willow does, and doesn't want to deplete one of the only ones Willow has. But I really like talking about the B/A/X triangle with Xander as the heroic one and Angel as the Bad Boy type.

6. Ha! Spike enters very early in Buffyverse overall (especially for me who more or less sees season one as preamble), but it's important that the stage was set for him.

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Date: 2010-08-16 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
4. The amazing thing about the Lolita lollipop is that it is totally subversive, and yet people just don't see it. I love how Joss can hide his subversions in plain sight.

5. I don't think I read Buffy as defering to Willow. I never get a vibe in season 1 of her even noticing Xander 'that way' long enough to defer to Willow. I do, otoh, thing they focused on Willow's reaction in WSWB. Buffy meant for that dance to devastate Angel, Xander and Willow. It's remarkably dark. And it makes it into the opening credits!

6. Season one *is* totally preamble for Spike!!!

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Date: 2010-08-16 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
4. So what is the other interpretation of the Lolita scene? I guess that Angel was in love, and that it's sweet. Angel's version of what happened is told in "Helpless," and what he describes bears little resemblance to what's on screen.

5. It's just the line where Buffy mentions Willow in "Prophecy Girl." (I don't remember her phrasing, but it's something like "We're good friends, you...and Willow...." to which Xander responds that Willow isn't looking to date Buffy.) I don't think Buffy does see Xander in that way, but I also think Willow's interest gives Buffy a particular reason NOT to see Xander that way. It might not actually cross her mind, and by no means do I think it's primary; if Willow were interested in Angel at this point, I don't think it would particularly deter Buffy.

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Date: 2010-08-16 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Very interesting point about demons and humans.

I've long thought there was a tension between Joss's 'feminism' and his preference for writing about non-heroic types. Buffy's good instincts only go to fighting evil -- which is a point I'm going to have to remember when we get to her being faked out twice by the "come fight us alone" trick of WSWB and Becoming. Her instincts about other things are not so good.

Are you saying I can't count? The drawbacks of multiple edits!!! Interesting point about Buffy as a model of a hero. As we go forward I'll also be talking about her importance as the hero who saves their bacon.


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Date: 2010-08-16 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Buffy's instincts also include moral judgements, I think--her instinct is to let Spike live, and in season seven to let him be chipless, though I suppose you could take season seven as more about what Buffy has learned being with Spike (and exploring herself) than about her instincts. Her instincts are also what allow her to know that Ted is a monster, though I guess that's a pretty complicated case (since she also wants him to be a monster...well, we'll wait for that!).

As we go forward I'll also be talking about her importance as the hero who saves their bacon.

I'm pretty interested in looking at the Buffy/Scooby dynamics closely. A lot of fans see the problems/benefits between Buffy and the Scoobs as a one-way street, but both Buffy and the Scoobs get and give a lot for their friendship.

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Date: 2010-08-16 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Bad Buffy instincts: Angel; Parker; Maggie Walsh; Completely unforgiving to Faith. Not hard to see why all of these sit in her blind spots. She's got personal issues and they can distort her vision.

The scooby dynamic is really complex and interesting. Lots of real good on both sides; lots of real dark on both sides; lots of jockeying for position. It's really amazingly well done, and a shame that most people who like the Scoobies just like the 'they're such good friends' version. The achievement is that they are friends who love each other and hate each other and resent each other and save each other..... I don't want to say just like in real life, but at least a few steps closer to being a real mirror of the complexity of human relationships than most TV even thinks about doing.

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Date: 2010-08-16 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, I was going to bring up the Initiative as an example of an organization that Buffy had better instincts than, and then I realized that she went along with it when she thought about how it made her happy, whereas it was Xander and Willow and Giles who saw through it.

The Scooby dynamic is pretty fantastic. I am getting ahead of myself again, but I love the way each finale plays off a different variation of how Buffy & the Scoobies save the day together: Buffy think she's alone but she's not (Prophecy Girl), Buffy is alone (Becoming), Buffy & Scoobies & everyone comes together (Graduation Day), the core Scoobies come together (Primeval), the Scoobies fight but Buffy pays the price (The Gift), Buffy fights but is sidelined and both the world-ending threat and the solution come from the Scoobies (Grave), everyone's fighting but the Scoobies are all fighting in separate rooms and areas (Chosen). The push-pull of how central the Scoobies are to Buffy, and Buffy to the Scoobies, and the Scoobies to each other, is never static, always changing.

a shame that most people who like the Scoobies just like the 'they're such good friends' version


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Date: 2010-08-16 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That was me, sorry.

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Date: 2010-08-16 07:00 pm (UTC)
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Very interesting thoughts, Maggie. I don't know if I have anything to add, but I enjoyed reading it and look forward to the continuation.

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Date: 2010-08-16 09:17 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2010-08-16 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ooooh! I'm very excited to read this meta series you're offering. I've been looking forward to it ever since you mentioned your talks with your brother as you watched BtVS on the first go-around. I don't have much to add, but I enjoyed reading this.

It makes me sad to think in the long term about you fading away from fandom. Do ~not~ want. Of course I understand, it just makes me sad to lose you. You're a huge part of why discussion around here is vastly entertaining. But at least you're giving a huge heaping of meta for the next few months!

I don't suppose I can trick you into staying longer by fiddling with all your calendars and clocks?

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Date: 2010-08-16 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Glad you are excited! Departure is not so imminent: 144 episodes -- even at two times a week that means I'm committing to at least another year and a half. Also, I'm in through season 9, assuming Last Gleaming isn't just total epic fail (which as you know it would take an awful lot of fail for me to get to that point).

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Date: 2010-08-17 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am so jazzed that you're doing this! I'm on the edges of a rewatch right now (hoping to bring Andrew along on the ride with me), so this is awesome. ♥

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Date: 2010-08-17 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Glad you are jazzed! I look forward to hearing what Andrew thinks about BtVS.


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