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Needless to say (!) I'm really happy about the preview pages.  It could get me to revert to being a Spuffy.

But aside from wanting (like crazy) to speculate about Buffy's smile and Spike's not-made bed, here are three things that Dark Horse has delivered us about Spike:

1.  It's now text that Spike has a more sizeable package than the other vampire.  Proof?  You don't boast to your ex about your package when she's in a position to make a direct comparison with your rival unless you think that comparison works for you.

2. Spike went to college.  OK, this was pretty much a given -- but now it's unmistakeable.

3.  He's got some sophisticated tastes underneath that bad rude exterior.

How many ways can I possibly say how happy I am that he's back at DH and being written by folks who know that there's more to Spike that womanizing and brawls?

Allie deserves a shout out on this.  So here's me, shouting out.

Finally: does that scene not reek of "Trust is for old marrieds, Buffy"?  I'll take it over space boinking and bestest day ever shenanigans any day of the week.

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com
Haha, I'm amused by the package line! I'm not thinking about it too seriously, but I suppose you're right that you don't boast about that unless you're certain your ex won't blow away the wind in your sails.

I love how Spike is back at Dark Horse! And not only is it confirmed he has a higher education--calling Buffy and Angel idiots!--but also refined tastes. And we also get a reminder of how smart Spike is that he speaks Fyarl.

Yes, yes, "trust is for old marrieds, Buffy." ♥

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I wish I could make a heart sign like you just did. But heart. That's my answer.

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
I suppose you're right that you don't boast about that unless you're certain your ex won't blow away the wind in your sails.

And it's a detail about Angel that Spike is in a position, canonically, to know. :-)

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenderlove.livejournal.com
My only joy from the preview is that Spike is being a snooty-britches about higher education. I take what little happiness I can get. XD

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Glad you got something, at least!

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
As for 2 and 3, then he was a Victorian gentleman, and I always took those things for granted. That said, it's nice to see it all confirmed.

And as for old married, then IMHO that's exactly what they're acting like. ♥

Considering what DH has done to Angel, I'm not at all ready to shout out. Yes it's nice to see Spike in character, but it's only since Lynch left that IDW went downhill.

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Agree that 2 and 3 were always obvious. To me it's just a splendid antecdote to IDW that they both surfaced here.

I don't think Lynch's Spike drinks Madeira, or could kick back with Buffy like that. He was better than what's happened since, but you and I part company on how much we like (or really don't like) Lynch's characterization of Spike.

But we'll take agreement where we can get it -- I'm big heart about the old married bit.

Did you notice that Spike's bed is tucked into a corner the way Angel's was in Surprise?

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I meant to add about Angel: I tend to be an Angel-basher. I work hard not to be, but it's the truth. It's really weird having my entire rap on Angel spelled out so clearly in the text. I'm thinking there's going to be a turn around for the guy. We're seeing my view of the guy, but my view is a painfully limited view, and there's always been more to Angel than the negative stuff.
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Date: 2010-09-20 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com
Basically everything involving Spike and Spike/Buffy made me flail for joy. Their comfortableness around each other! Their banter! Him calling her on things! LOVE IT.

And yay for all the fanon confirmations!

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Date: 2010-09-20 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com


And I'll throw in a woo hoo for good measure!

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamsblau.livejournal.com
Awww, my Spuffy heart squees so badly right now! I'm a happy little girlie in lurve.

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Nice icon! I think there's a bit of Spuffy in me left!

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
I didn't spot the significance of the unmade bed (or I just assumed Spike is messy) but I did wonder, "Is there only the one bathroom on the ship, or else why did Buffy choose to use Spike's personal one?" :-)

And yes, the line about higher education hit me as well. The other big thing I noticed was Buffy's comment to him "Like Dawn is a Key?" - I think that lays to rest the idea that Dawn's Keyness is a long-forgotten and abandoned storyline. They're reminding us of it too often. Also, Xander just talked about the two of them getting a place together, which is a sure sign her death is imminent. I just hope it's not permanent...

Finally, notice how Angel is all heroic and noble, saving the Japanese Slayers from the monster - but when he throws the head down, they get all splashed and messed up by its blood. I spy a metaphor there. :-)





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Date: 2010-09-20 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com
The other big thing I noticed was Buffy's comment to him "Like Dawn is a Key?" - I think that lays to rest the idea that Dawn's Keyness is a long-forgotten and abandoned storyline. They're reminding us of it too often.

They're reminding us of it too often for it to be a brilliant twist. I rather think it's a red herring--Dawn is the Key, she's going to die--and that it's Xander who's going to die. I expect Dawn's role will more hinge upon Dawn being unmade if the magic goes out.

Also note how Buffy says "Like how Dawn is a Key" and Spike then changes the metaphor: "Forget 'key', thinks 'cork'." And last time I thought of what a cork would do, it reminds me of doll!Dawn smashing and her soul spilling out. I think it again fits with this idea of Dawn being unmade and what danger that entails. And Xander is the one who will fight the hardest to keep her safe. And possibly die protecting her. Finally, he'll get to save the woman he loves. Though he might die doing it. :(

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I didn't spot the significance of the unmade bed (or I just assumed Spike is messy) but I did wonder, "Is there only the one bathroom on the ship, or else why did Buffy choose to use Spike's personal one?"
I guess all the other bathrooms are optimised for exoskeletons but she's tellingly comfortable with using the one that isn't.

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Yes, yes, and yes. I like that the first is at least a possibility. I'm shallow enough to like my readings being vindicated on the other two. (Though at this point the latter is so OTT that it's making me feel itchy).

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ubi4soft.livejournal.com
Spike is good and Buffy is dumber than any ditzie blond Harmony ever was!

Suckydale is where your mother died but if you still think the universe set you up my dear Buffy you really deserve your faith.

Sorry Maggie, I see no positive out coming of this.

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I'm sorry you can't enjoy it. What do you mean by Buffy's faith?

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com
1. It sounds silly, but (perhaps this is me being male that leads me down this road) I would have liked it the other way around--Angel is the one who is given great things, Spike is the one who does great things with what he has. Still, that dynamic doesn't have to show up everywhere!

2. Spike has more higher education than Willow does! Note also that Xander wants Dawn to go to college right after the reference to how Buffy never did. *sighs*

3. The cork thing is so great.

And yep. Old marrieds. Spike couldn't understand the appeal in SR. But now he can. And so can she. Sigh. I'm not heavily into any ship but yeah, this is pretty sweet.

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Date: 2010-09-20 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
#2 True! But somehow undereducation doesn't seem like Willow's problem!

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Date: 2010-09-20 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
So Sunnydale was Lost's Island now? That whole cork analogy was a direct lift. And I am curious about Xander's question of how does Spike know all of this. But, then, I'm paranoid.

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Date: 2010-09-20 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I like William the B's take about the Lost reference -- acknowledgement that this is a bunch of plotty mcplot hoo ha. (Lots of things to like about Lost, but the plot stuff was not on my list of those things).

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Date: 2010-09-20 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com
I'm still squealing over the Spander, but yeah, the Spuffy scene was great, and there'll be more to come. Yay! :)

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Date: 2010-09-20 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I thought of you when we had the couple of Spander panels. I love Spike trying to reproduce the cork visual for him.

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Date: 2010-09-20 09:43 pm (UTC)
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That was surprisingly pleasant. Huh.

Stupid question: who's the mustachioed guy eavesdropping on Xander and Dawn? Am I supposed to know who he is?

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Date: 2010-09-20 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure it's the general.

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Date: 2010-09-21 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jnb71976.livejournal.com
Go, fanon!

Spuffy is the queen of all ships! Revert! Revert! Revert! hahahah

Allie deserves a shout out on this. So here's me, shouting out.

I'll second that. And I'll take my serving of humble pie for doubting his collab with Joss. Touche, sir.

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Date: 2010-09-21 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
At the end of the day, as Allie keeps reminding us, it's Joss's story, and Joss's last word. Still, good pages!

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Date: 2010-09-21 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitewhale.livejournal.com

Allie deserves a shout out on this.

Don't shout too loud. I think this is the issue he said Joss stated he was 'going to change all this dialogue'. :)

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Date: 2010-09-21 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
But, see, that's always been the case. Joss has the final word, so I pretty much figure that the buck stops with him, for better or worse.

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Date: 2010-09-21 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
1. It's now text that Spike has a more sizeable package than the other vampire. Proof? You don't boast to your ex about your package when she's in a position to make a direct comparison with your rival unless you think that comparison works for you.

Wait, what? Where did it say that?

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Date: 2010-09-22 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com
I think that was in 36, not in the preview pages, that Spike describes himself as having a sizeable package.

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