Hm, I like composite and derivative art, it takes an old story and breathes new life into it. That's the way I feel at least, when I casually like something.
I'm at best a casual Batman fan, I like what Frank Miller did with it and consequently like the movies that were influenced by his take on Batman, while I find a lot of other things about the francise dispensable or so bad it gets good again.
Thing is when I get fannish about something derivatives often feel like they are "traitors" to the original work.
As kid I felt like that about musketeer movies, I had read the book at an early age and nearly all movies made butchered the material in my mind, they left out the good parts and invented silly new ones I wasn't interested in.
S8 is to me no part of Buffy, it's a follow up made by different people and I judge it as a new work that works with source materials I love. Buffy for one and the comic book medium. I get the same vibe I got for the musketeer movies. It doesn't do justice to Buffy the tv show. The comparison to Promethea (or Kabuki, or Watchmen, or Fables, or 20th century boys) does not so much illustrate that Joss tried borrow from one of them too much, but more how you can tell similar stories (by accident or by intention) in a much more interesting way in the comic medium.
I literally hurt every time, someone blames the badness in S8 on it being a comic, like those are inherently unable to do better, that's why I think it's important to compare S8 not only to Buffy, but also to other comics with similar motives.
I agree with you in general in the sense that I think derivative are is important and interesting , but I disagree that there are no differences in quality. I think S8 should be out there, same as tons of not so good fanfic stories are out there, but I will judge them as individual pieces of art not indiscriminately put them on the same stage, because they work with the same source material.
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I'm at best a casual Batman fan, I like what Frank Miller did with it and consequently like the movies that were influenced by his take on Batman, while I find a lot of other things about the francise dispensable or so bad it gets good again.
Thing is when I get fannish about something derivatives often feel like they are "traitors" to the original work.
As kid I felt like that about musketeer movies, I had read the book at an early age and nearly all movies made butchered the material in my mind, they left out the good parts and invented silly new ones I wasn't interested in.
S8 is to me no part of Buffy, it's a follow up made by different people and I judge it as a new work that works with source materials I love. Buffy for one and the comic book medium.
I get the same vibe I got for the musketeer movies. It doesn't do justice to Buffy the tv show. The comparison to Promethea (or Kabuki, or Watchmen, or Fables, or 20th century boys) does not so much illustrate that Joss tried borrow from one of them too much, but more how you can tell similar stories (by accident or by intention) in a much more interesting way in the comic medium.
I literally hurt every time, someone blames the badness in S8 on it being a comic, like those are inherently unable to do better, that's why I think it's important to compare S8 not only to Buffy, but also to other comics with similar motives.
I agree with you in general in the sense that I think derivative are is important and interesting , but I disagree that there are no differences in quality. I think S8 should be out there, same as tons of not so good fanfic stories are out there, but I will judge them as individual pieces of art not indiscriminately put them on the same stage, because they work with the same source material.