I'm trying to tread lightly here, because I keep getting in trouble for trying to explain myself.
I totally get your point that the problem with season 8 isn't the medium, and it makes sense to point to examples of comics that you like as an answer to those arguments. I have always thought your comparisons were clearly of that nature, and fairly made.
I remain on the fence about whether season 8 is a worthy follow up to the show. As I just said above, I agree with Max's observation that Twilight is baffling -- and until I figure out what Joss really is doing here I won't have any opinion one way or the other. But I also can see why people would just feel fed up and not willing to wait around to see whether Last Gleaming will make sense of it all. I can say I'm hanging on, but I don't think that means all people need to hang on. Twilight is asking a lot of folks -- and that comes after Retreat, which comes after us waiting around for 3 years for this story to get told. Really, I do get why people have bailed.
I just don't think season 8 has the same motives as anything Moore is trying to do, and I therefore regard it as unfair to say that season 8 should be compared to Moore's work, using Moore as the standard. And like I just told Max, when I see a criticism that I regard as unfair, I usually will say I think it's unfair. It's fair to ask whether season 8 lives up to Buffy, fair to ask if it's moving or connecting, just not fair to ask whether it lives up to some whole other artistic vision. (At least that's how it registers with my fairness meter, which obviously is not the same one many of you have.) To go back to the comparison that started this mess, I think it's fair to say that Batman and Robin is a bad movie. Unfair to say it should be Dark Knight... especially since one would logically also have to say that Batman the TV show is bad because it's not Dark Knight, and Batman is great, when taken on its own terms for what it's trying to be. Whether season 8 ends up being more like Batman and Robin or more like Batman the TV show remains to be seen.
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Date: 2010-07-14 06:11 am (UTC)I totally get your point that the problem with season 8 isn't the medium, and it makes sense to point to examples of comics that you like as an answer to those arguments. I have always thought your comparisons were clearly of that nature, and fairly made.
I remain on the fence about whether season 8 is a worthy follow up to the show. As I just said above, I agree with Max's observation that Twilight is baffling -- and until I figure out what Joss really is doing here I won't have any opinion one way or the other. But I also can see why people would just feel fed up and not willing to wait around to see whether Last Gleaming will make sense of it all. I can say I'm hanging on, but I don't think that means all people need to hang on. Twilight is asking a lot of folks -- and that comes after Retreat, which comes after us waiting around for 3 years for this story to get told. Really, I do get why people have bailed.
I just don't think season 8 has the same motives as anything Moore is trying to do, and I therefore regard it as unfair to say that season 8 should be compared to Moore's work, using Moore as the standard. And like I just told Max, when I see a criticism that I regard as unfair, I usually will say I think it's unfair. It's fair to ask whether season 8 lives up to Buffy, fair to ask if it's moving or connecting, just not fair to ask whether it lives up to some whole other artistic vision. (At least that's how it registers with my fairness meter, which obviously is not the same one many of you have.) To go back to the comparison that started this mess, I think it's fair to say that Batman and Robin is a bad movie. Unfair to say it should be Dark Knight... especially since one would logically also have to say that Batman the TV show is bad because it's not Dark Knight, and Batman is great, when taken on its own terms for what it's trying to be. Whether season 8 ends up being more like Batman and Robin or more like Batman the TV show remains to be seen.