... but I do wonder if having Angel not only not be Buffy's twu luv anymore, but the person she shouldn't have loved in the first place, may be too much for the character and his fans to bear.
You are right. And I freely confess that I'm sure I have a major bias distortion thing going on with this subject. I mean, I really do see things this way. But it's so obviously Spike-centric I figure it's not 'true'. Still... would Joss go there? Nah -- it'd literally rip the fandom apart. Destroy the world, demons might come pouring in. Very bad stuff.
When 34 came out I mentioned right away that the three vamps in the Giles-exposition flashbacks where black-hair, red-haired, and white-haired, which still seem to me to mean Angel, Willow, Spike in that order (Willow is not a vamp, but she has been coded as one in ToYL and is superpowered and possibly immortal now besides). So I am on board.
Ooh, cool -- I had forgotten that observation. Willow keeps floating out of my head -- but you are totally right that we're set up for Buffy/Willow rift stuff in a big way. Another trio I keep thinking about is Buffy-Willow-Spike, the three central players in the closing of the hellmouth/slayer spell deal.
I forgot about the Giles-Buffy bond. It's not alluded to, unless he counts as a Scooby.
It could mean that she's [Dawn] really Buffy's problem, and not the rest of them. This would tie into fandom as well (LOVE the fandom-ripped-apart insight)--
I think the problem of Dawn has always been a chip to be played. There's such a huge nexus of issues there, along with lots of space to put in an in-story issue (Buffy dying for Dawn causing some instability; Dawn made out of Buffy causing some instability; the time-line split problem etc. etc.) The issues: Dawn represents Buffy's attachment to humanity. Buffy died rather than give it up, even though Dawn wasn't real. But it didn't quite work because when she came back Buffy was even less attached to humanity (Dawn-neglect). Dawn now as a rival for the ordinary life Buffy doesn't get; and Dawn's own reference to the slayers' need to choose between demon or humanity... I don't know how it adds up, or if anything will happen. But this is the stew that makes me think that a lot can be done to make Dawn play a 'gigantic' role in the conclusion to the story.
I don't know if that specifically means erasing all memory of her -- though one way to read the Twilight symbol is as time lines. We have the Dawnless timeline on the bottom. The the Dawn insert jumps the timeline up only to have it collapse back down and disappear again, with the original time line left to run its course. That would explain why the apparently undisturbed Fray future does not have any memory of a slayer army -- which has always been the main reason I think something about juggling time lines has to be in play this season. To make that work, Willow would have to have kept the memory of the lost time line (since she knows how to link to it), but she's got dimension crossing ability, so why not.
See? Very excited about this final arc. Thanks for letting me blather about it!
"Charybdis tested well with teens" I love every line of that song.
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Date: 2010-07-16 04:36 am (UTC)You are right. And I freely confess that I'm sure I have a major bias distortion thing going on with this subject. I mean, I really do see things this way. But it's so obviously Spike-centric I figure it's not 'true'. Still... would Joss go there? Nah -- it'd literally rip the fandom apart. Destroy the world, demons might come pouring in. Very bad stuff.
When 34 came out I mentioned right away that the three vamps in the Giles-exposition flashbacks where black-hair, red-haired, and white-haired, which still seem to me to mean Angel, Willow, Spike in that order (Willow is not a vamp, but she has been coded as one in ToYL and is superpowered and possibly immortal now besides). So I am on board.
Ooh, cool -- I had forgotten that observation. Willow keeps floating out of my head -- but you are totally right that we're set up for Buffy/Willow rift stuff in a big way. Another trio I keep thinking about is Buffy-Willow-Spike, the three central players in the closing of the hellmouth/slayer spell deal.
I forgot about the Giles-Buffy bond. It's not alluded to, unless he counts as a Scooby.
It could mean that she's [Dawn] really Buffy's problem, and not the rest of them. This would tie into fandom as well (LOVE the fandom-ripped-apart insight)--
I think the problem of Dawn has always been a chip to be played. There's such a huge nexus of issues there, along with lots of space to put in an in-story issue (Buffy dying for Dawn causing some instability; Dawn made out of Buffy causing some instability; the time-line split problem etc. etc.) The issues: Dawn represents Buffy's attachment to humanity. Buffy died rather than give it up, even though Dawn wasn't real. But it didn't quite work because when she came back Buffy was even less attached to humanity (Dawn-neglect). Dawn now as a rival for the ordinary life Buffy doesn't get; and Dawn's own reference to the slayers' need to choose between demon or humanity... I don't know how it adds up, or if anything will happen. But this is the stew that makes me think that a lot can be done to make Dawn play a 'gigantic' role in the conclusion to the story.
I don't know if that specifically means erasing all memory of her -- though one way to read the Twilight symbol is as time lines. We have the Dawnless timeline on the bottom. The the Dawn insert jumps the timeline up only to have it collapse back down and disappear again, with the original time line left to run its course. That would explain why the apparently undisturbed Fray future does not have any memory of a slayer army -- which has always been the main reason I think something about juggling time lines has to be in play this season. To make that work, Willow would have to have kept the memory of the lost time line (since she knows how to link to it), but she's got dimension crossing ability, so why not.
See? Very excited about this final arc. Thanks for letting me blather about it!
"Charybdis tested well with teens" I love every line of that song.