You are right. And I freely confess that I'm sure I have a major bias distortion thing going on with this subject. I mean, I really do see things this way. But it's so obviously Spike-centric I figure it's not 'true'. Still... would Joss go there? Nah -- it'd literally rip the fandom apart. Destroy the world, demons might come pouring in. Very bad stuff.
Hee! I saw your comments on the Jeanty-interview thread and like what you have to say there. The comments there also show what Joss is up against if he is going to trash B/A. If he does, will he be able to get his issue drawn? Bring Karl Moline in to finish it up?
I was going to say that Joss needs his fans, but I guess in a sense he doesn't; fan loyalty means a lot but his devoted Buffy fans didn't save Firefly and they didn't save Dollhouse. It's possible that he's really willing to cut the apron strings here.
I also don't think the attitude is Spike-centric; you just have to not buy destiny. And there *are* Spuffies who see Buffy & Spike as destined, but I think they're missing much of the fun.
Ooh, cool -- I had forgotten that observation. Willow keeps floating out of my head
Oddly, I seldom have that problem for more than a day or two at a time. It's tough.
I forgot about the Giles-Buffy bond. It's not alluded to, unless he counts as a Scooby.
I was wondering if he'd count as a Scooby. (And if he doesn't--does Andrew? Nah.) There's also Faith--whom Buffy was drawn to over the Scoobies as well. It's possible that Giles and Faith come in as a connection to the overall watcher/slayer line, which also predates Sunnydale even though she met both in Sunny D.
Dawn: as well as hints about Dawn's death, Living Doll does have her go through the trajectory doll ==> real girl. So I do wonder if maybe all her keyness will be deployed and she'll survive, pure human. But since she's mostly been portrayed as pure human, that would be a bit pat. I guess I'm just hoping she makes it through this okay.
Sunnydale: I forgot to mention last time, but the season is interestingly structured around a return to Sunnydale, with returns in the first arc ("Well, I wanted to go home"), at the midpoint as an intermission (After These Messages) and then a third time in the finale. Amy and Warren were presumably introduced as villains because they were Sunnydale denizens, and not just because they were villains from the show. Since they were in Twilight I figure they're along for the ride as well, so I have a feeling that one or both of them will do something significant in the final arc, though I have no idea what.
A key line to think about as we go into the arc: in ToYL, Willow says, "When you've lived as long as I have, you learn that it's not who dies, it's who kills them." Possibly Last Gleaming is where she learns that lesson.
I'm pretty excited too! And I don't mind listening to the ranting at all. Hopefully you don't let the Jeanty interview get you down. (And I'm serious about wondering whether Joss will have to quash a rebellion from Jeanty when the last few scripts come in. How do these things go?)
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Date: 2010-07-18 11:03 am (UTC)Hee! I saw your comments on the Jeanty-interview thread and like what you have to say there. The comments there also show what Joss is up against if he is going to trash B/A. If he does, will he be able to get his issue drawn? Bring Karl Moline in to finish it up?
I was going to say that Joss needs his fans, but I guess in a sense he doesn't; fan loyalty means a lot but his devoted Buffy fans didn't save Firefly and they didn't save Dollhouse. It's possible that he's really willing to cut the apron strings here.
I also don't think the attitude is Spike-centric; you just have to not buy destiny. And there *are* Spuffies who see Buffy & Spike as destined, but I think they're missing much of the fun.
Ooh, cool -- I had forgotten that observation. Willow keeps floating out of my head
Oddly, I seldom have that problem for more than a day or two at a time. It's tough.
I forgot about the Giles-Buffy bond. It's not alluded to, unless he counts as a Scooby.
I was wondering if he'd count as a Scooby. (And if he doesn't--does Andrew? Nah.) There's also Faith--whom Buffy was drawn to over the Scoobies as well. It's possible that Giles and Faith come in as a connection to the overall watcher/slayer line, which also predates Sunnydale even though she met both in Sunny D.
Dawn: as well as hints about Dawn's death, Living Doll does have her go through the trajectory doll ==> real girl. So I do wonder if maybe all her keyness will be deployed and she'll survive, pure human. But since she's mostly been portrayed as pure human, that would be a bit pat. I guess I'm just hoping she makes it through this okay.
Sunnydale: I forgot to mention last time, but the season is interestingly structured around a return to Sunnydale, with returns in the first arc ("Well, I wanted to go home"), at the midpoint as an intermission (After These Messages) and then a third time in the finale. Amy and Warren were presumably introduced as villains because they were Sunnydale denizens, and not just because they were villains from the show. Since they were in Twilight I figure they're along for the ride as well, so I have a feeling that one or both of them will do something significant in the final arc, though I have no idea what.
A key line to think about as we go into the arc: in ToYL, Willow says, "When you've lived as long as I have, you learn that it's not who dies, it's who kills them." Possibly Last Gleaming is where she learns that lesson.
I'm pretty excited too! And I don't mind listening to the ranting at all. Hopefully you don't let the Jeanty interview get you down. (And I'm serious about wondering whether Joss will have to quash a rebellion from Jeanty when the last few scripts come in. How do these things go?)