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maggie2 ([personal profile] maggie2) wrote2010-09-02 10:25 pm

A Spuffy Reading of Season 8

Warning:  Because I want to be an optimist in any case, I cannot resist a tide when one starts -- even if it's small. 

The Small Tide:  Here's [livejournal.com profile] angearia's latest.  She links to [livejournal.com profile] ladyofthelog  and[livejournal.com profile] me_llamo_nic both of whom write optimistic spins.  They spawned optimistic thoughts below the cut. 

I respect the pessimistic view.  I wouldn't even bet against it.  But maybe y'all could read the following in the spirit of "wouldn't it be cool if..."

So having read the three posts linked above, I thought some thoughts on the way home from work.  I draw liberally on their insights, and am not going to footnote line by line (or at all).  Call this a gathering, with a bit of extra juice.

The what of the basic spin is just that the Buffy/Angel stuff is unbelievably OTT.  I've been saying this since #33.  It's as cheesy as ever in #36.  Cheesier, even.  Velveeta cheesiest.  This just cannot be taken at face value by anyone not pre-committed to True Bangel Love.  At a minimum we have the show-stopper of Buffy calling the day she destroyed the world her bestest day ever.  The piece I missed in my brief sojourn into pessimism, now supplied by the lovely ladies I've already cited is that Buffy ends the issue fully aware of how awful the day has been.  She does get back to herself.  AFTER she sends Angel away and AFTER she has her talk with Spike.

So that prompts the big why.  Why is season 8 about the Bangel on the cheesiest possible steroids?  [livejournal.com profile] angearia  wrote a post way back when about Season 8 as an epic fairy tale.  Let me twist it a bit.  Season 8 is about Buffy's attachment to her fairy tale, and the way it's been destroying her life.  Buffy's fairy tale is that there once was a mysterious dark prince who was the only one in all the realm who inhabited her harsh lonely domain between the demonic and the human.  He alone could accompany the slayer.  But alas, their togetherness pushed him to the demonic side.  And so Buffy was alone.  But!  She could keep the dream alive in her heart.  Angel is everything to her.  Angel is the reason she has to live alone in the battle.  Angel is her drama.  His defection to the dark and the resulting need for her to Give Him Up is the price Buffy pays to be the slayer.  The thought of him kept her company in the battle zone.  It also kept everyone else out.  Buffy has been emotionally arrested since Becoming.  Twangel tells his minions that this ends when Buffy turns the sword on herself.  She already did that, though.  In Becoming when she gave up the one last thing she had to lose -- her dream of not being alone.

So Angel is presented to us as the Big Bad of the season.  Angel single-handedly stopped Buffy's emotional growth cold when she was in high school.  She's been an emotional husk since then.  Angel is the figure Buffy has to overcome if she's ever to go forward.  So he's the big bad.  But as we saw in Twilight, Buffy doesn't hardly overcome him.  She's overcome by him and the world is destroyed.  So far in season 8 Buffy has had her behind seriously thrashed by this Big Bad.

But here's the rub.  At the end of Chosen it seemed like Buffy had finally gotten unstuck.  Another vampire ambled into her life.  Like Angel he loved her.  Unlike Angel, his love for Buffy drove him to the light, and not out into the dark.  Once he got the soul, he stood by her in battle.  And above all, he touched her.  They were close that night.  She was there.  It was a possible breakthrough.  Maybe she could give up the fantasy of Angel and step into the scary unpredictable reality of letting someone in.   She backed off, though.  "Does it have to mean anything".  Angel reappears and she runs into his arm.  Fantasy!  Good!  How much of a fantasy is it?  Angel is filmed in gauzy lens.  He's OOC.  It's anything but real.  But for once, Buffy resists.  The kiss is broken off quickly.  She puts Angel off.  She chooses Spike as her champion.  And then she finally ventures into something real and offers him an I love you.  The first one she's offered to anyone but Angel.

So what happened?  Well, it's scary to give up a fantasy.  Buffy barely stammers out the ILY.  And Spike reassures her that she doesn't really.  I'll defend to the death why this is a perfectly reasonable thing for Spike to say from his POV.  But the impact it has on Buffy is to give her permission to retreat into the fantasy.   A few months later, she hears he's back.  He's not called. This is hurtful (has he moved on?)  But that's not the only or even the main reason Buffy doesn't do anything.  She'll risk the pain if she wants something.  The reason she doesn't call is because she doesn't want to risk the intimacy.  Fantasy is comfortable.  And she's wrapped it around herself hard since she was sixteen years old.

Fast forward to Season 8.

Buffy can't make a connection.  This is the big theme.  She's busy with her slayer army, but feels isolated.  She's sunk back into her fantasy though.  We're told this by the way Angel is strewn across her dream cube space.  She only lets Spike in for a sex fantasy, but she's turned to Angel with that dreamy claddagh ring on her finger.  He's got her heart.  It's perfect.  He's got her heart and he's not real.  She can turn to fantasy!Angel for comfort and not have to risk the intimacy she's been fighting against her whole life.  She dreams of him in #20.  He's all mysterious and handsomey.  She can't talk to him.  He's not real.  But he's so dreamy. 

Satsu and Xander are there to represent Buffy's competing desire to move out of the fantasy and back into the scary painful risky realm of actual connection.  Satsu is a transparent stand-in for Spike.  Xander is quite real.  And for a moment in Retreat, she seems to make a move.  But she's too late.  Did she deep down know she was too late?  Xander suggests something like that.  She wants to get real, but it's scary -- and it makes sense that  she'd sabotage herself by only going for it when it can't happen.  Then he can reject her, and she can keep building up her self-concept of herself as rejected.  It's the mask she puts on her own desire to stay isolated in her castle.

Castle.  Right.  Buffy is a princess in a tower. Literally living in a castle.   She wants Prince Charming to come and rescue her.  She doesn't want Mr. Real to wake her up.  But she needs Mr. Real to wake up.  Enter Satsu in LWH for the dry run on this.  But Buffy isn't gay.  Not so you'd notice.  That's the dress rehearsal.

So now we come to the big explanation for the Epic Silence about Spike.  Why is Spike not in the dream cube space?  He's real.  He's available.  He's scary.  Deny!  Deny!  How does Buffy explain her thoughts about him?  Great Muppity Odin, I miss that sex.  Spike gets a supporting role in her sex fantasies.  Why does she give Satsu a fling?  Satsu, the punkish right hand person with an unrequited love for her?  Spike without the actual attachment.  What does she tell herself about not going after Spike?  She's too busy?  Sure.  Everyone she loves gets hurt and runs away.  He's moved on with Angel (!).  Lots of reasons.  She hangs on to her fantasy.  In Anywhere But Here she's dreaming on the beach with a copy of The Vampire Lestat at hand.  Joss has told us twice in inteviews while the comics were being written that Spike is more evolved.  In one of them, he called Angel Lestat.  Andrew tells Buffy that she traded up when she moved on to Spike.  We get three frames on her frozen speechless reaction.

She makes her (safe) reach out for real intimacy to Xander.  Gets smacked down.  Is feeling all isolated and in swoops Angel.  She grabs him.  Epic sex.  Oops.  Epic sex?  She loses herself in the physical and forgets to even tell him she loves him.  At least at first.  It's all escape.  They literally blast out of the planet.  The world literally falls in on itself in their wake.  What a great move -- you jump into the fantasy and you don't just leave the world behind.  You destroy it. 

But Buffy has conflicting feelings.  She gets to her fantasy and realizes she can't stay there.  Also, if she really stayed there, it wouldn't exactly be a fantasy anymore would it?  She has to go back to fight for the world.  Having made that decision, right at that moment, in smashes Spike.  Mr. Real himself.  Oh shit.  Oh, shit, shit, shit.  She flies into the air with Mr. Wonderful Fantasy Man and swears her undying love to him.  While sending him off the playing field.  Mr. "I want to spend my life with you" has to be sent off in order for her to say that she wants to spend her life with him.  It's not just buttering him up to let him go.  It's that the precondition of making a connection for Buffy is that there be no possibility of actual connection.  Bangel has flourished in her heart BECAUSE he's been gone; BECAUSE he's unavailable.  So she pledges her troth to the fantasy that cannot ever be real.

And then squares her shoulders to deal with Mr. Real.  The posts I linked to above spell this out very well, and I won't repeat.  Spike grounds her in three seconds flat.  She's back to the painful reality of the world she's just destroyed.  He's just given her the kiss of true love and awakened her from her sleep.

So if this is the story, why is Allie so reserved about Spuffy?  Joss plays tragedy, not comedy.  Spike just woke her up.  It's probably too late because all hell has just broken loose and by all accounts, the toll is going to be grim.  

But hey!  The point of Spuffy is that it's not about happy fairy tale endings.  We've got a shot, though, at getting something real.



[identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Loved this. A wonderful explanation of the appeal for Buffy of clinging to her "love" for Angel.

There are so many brilliant people on my flist!

[identity profile] blackfrancine.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
The first one she's offered to anyone but Angel.

I just have to point out--Buffy doesn't even offer Angel his I love you. Not the first one. He asks her point blank if she loves him, and she says, tentatively, yes she does love him. After the first I love you, she does volunteer the I love yous. But Spike's is the first we ever see her offer unsolicited like that.

Just sayin'.

But that only underlines your point, I think. That the intimacy that she dipped her toes in during that I-love-you-flamey-hands moment with Spike was so, so new and utterly terrifying, that when she isn't immediately nurtured in that new space, she retreats.

Love this. Also love that you point out that Angel was filmed with a gauzy lens in Chosen. I don't think I'd fully processed that before.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Brilliant, Maggie!

Fantasy and real, all brought together to show how Season 8 has progressed. Remember Angel's line "This isn't a fairytale" to which Buffy responds "when you kiss me I want to die." To Buffy, it really is a fairytale.

Gah, when you think about Buffy being trapped in a dreamstate in LWH and her creating her own fantasy world in Twilight, there's so many levels of self-constructed prisons. Oh! Remember the the triple x's that she thought were bars?

This post is incredibly wonderful food for thought. Just brilliant.

I think I took for granted that Buffy wants to retreat into safe fantasy when I was discussing why she wouldn't go after Spike. Because she's always been afraid of risking herself in this regard--it's something I unconsciously know, but couldn't vocalize.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! It wouldn't be possible if I weren't drawing on all the other folks on my flist. In fact, your reaction to the issue is what got me to go have a look at the rest.

It's cool, though, no? I've been flailing for a reading that makes sense, and this works to explain a lot. Back to being happy. At least for the nonce.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Good observation about Buffy's first ILY ot Angel! And I love the way you put this -- Buffy not being immediately nurtured in that new space, she retreats.

Beloved Bro is the one who pointed out the gauzy lens to me way back when.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Me jumping up and down. You and ladyofthelog and me_llamo_nic combined for the 1-2-3 punch that finally landed me at what I've been looking for -- an in-story explanation for Buffy's OOC-ness. (Though, yeah, OTT-squared because powered by Twilight-juice).

Anyway this was just a moment of stuff I learned from y'all gelling. I love that it includes your spin on Buffy's non pursuit with something I can live with. It feels like a team effort.

Sorry! Enthusiasm is back.

[identity profile] hazel75.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
This is plausible. It's also very sad. I so wish that Joss would allow Buffy to grow. But I kind of think he likes keeping her where she is...
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[identity profile] ubi4soft.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
I really needed to see their faces! I feel better now

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
It does feel like a team effort! Go team!

I hope it's not egotistical to say that I feel slightly responsible for hitting stones together enough times that we got a fire relight. Ladyofthelog is a dear friend and when she learned I was kinda getting upset from some of the comments directed towards my being positive, she wanted to share her thoughts so I wouldn't feel alone. Looks like we made it, kids!

How wonderful to also get local_max's essay just now too. There's an overabundance of food for thought.

I'm so glad your enthusiasm is back! I missed it!

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
The hope is that this season is all about smashing the fantasy. Destroying the world is a sort of wake-up call, no?

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
Glad you feel better!

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Not egotistical at all. I tried to make clear that I was drafting off a wind started elsewhere. But whoa -- feels like I caught a good draft! I read the essays before I left work, and it all went kerplunk by the time I got to the car. That only happens when there's already been major spark elsewhere!

(Also, to buck myself up, I have been calling B/A as subversion forever. But without you I'd never have seen just exactly how it fit into a big picture.)

Yay us!!!

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
Maggie, I'm feeling a bit of schadenfreude as I type this but if you go here, you'll see a person posting a somewhat bullying comment in reply to my meta.

Apparently, they just deleted their account after I called them out. I feel strangely good about that. This same person went to Ladyofthelog's journal and also posted a comment telling her to stop wasting her time.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I saw that. She posted on my piece, and I saw her reacting to Max's post as well. There's no doubt that #36 was a real blow to some folks. Cause face it, the text is tough. I believe in the stuff we're posting about, but it is subtext -- and I understand why folks would want it spelled out as text just the once.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I don't object to a person having a difference of opinion. But you don't show up in someone's journal and tell them to stop posting about what they want to post about (especially if you are a complete and utter stranger).

I think it was Rahirah who talked about subtext in a comment and it was perfectly reasonable the way she expressed her opinion.

I don't think it's fair to use one's emotional reaction as an excuse to treat others badly just because they have a different opinion. (The reason ladyofthelog posted her commentary--which she never bothers to--is because I was very upset by a negative, personal message someone sent me in reaction to my feeling hopeful about the comics.) And to bring this full circle, I really hope I wasn't as bad to you as that back when I was upset with the comics. I still have largely the same opinions now as I did then, but I'm not as ~upset~ and reactive about it now. I do regret that very much.

[identity profile] anaross.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
"A few months later, she hears he's back. He's not called. This is hurtful (has he moved on?) But that's not the only or even the main reason Buffy doesn't do anything."

I can just see that-- she wants HIM to come to her. Then she'll believe in this love. But it's all on him. Sigh.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not quite saying that. It's not a question of whether she believes in this love. It's that she really is terrified of it. Since Spike is arguably playing the same game, it's a reading I can deal with as a Spike-centric person. If it's just Buffy waiting for Spike to really really really prove his love, then bah, he could do better.

Or to put it another way - until she gets over the fear, she's not going after him, nor would she let him in if he came after her.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
You know we got prickly, but I think that was a two-way street. And no -- your posts weren't just 'bah it's a waste of time blah, blah, blah'. You had actual arguments. We just disagreed. And I was oversensitive there for a while and regret that as well.

Glad we're good now, though! Wasn't Spike great! I love that everybody likes the way he came across in this issue!

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
The thing is, I guess I'm tired of Joss's story style. I'm perfectly willing to believe that the B/Aness is OTT and that it will all turn into some tragic thing where they cannot be together because when together they lose their effing minds and the world is destroyed.

It's Joss. He's not through until people are screaming or in tears.

I find it far more difficult to believe that the conclusion will make me any more sanguine with the story regarding Spuffy, nor am I willing to believe that Joss will deliver something that I think will balance out the high toll he's exacted on Spuffy. Sure, I'm willing to believe that Joss might toss a couple of cookie crumbs at the end. But, frankly, at this point, I'm sick of crumbs and I'm doubly sick of plausible deniability. And I honestly don't think Joss has it in him to dole out anything else.

So while I believe that Joss will have a twist at the end, I still don't expect to have much any sense of satisfaction with crumbs that might be scattered off the table.

I guess I'm just tired of the way Whedon does things.

Sorry for the negativity.

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
I saw that. That was strange.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Weird, right? The fact that they deleted their journal kinda makes me think they really were a troll. *shrugs*

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Barb's post cleared something up for me. If you want something explicit in the story, then probably it's not going to happen. It'd make sense to be negative if that's what you want. I've always read the show for it's subtext. What's been distressing this season is that I couldn't quite sort out how it works. Now I found a way that works and it makes me happy. It fits my long standing basic view of the 'verse.

Would it be nice to see text? Sure. But it's been the big subtext of Bangel subversion and what not that made me a fan in the first place, so that's what I need.

Anyway I hope my present positivity doesn't rain on your negativity. I think we're after different things. Or at least have different priorities about the things we both want.

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
Positive away. I hate feeling like eeyore about it.

It's just... I had my days years of positivity. I remember quite clearly going through Season 6 on subtext then pretty much walking away feeling like I'd been kicked in the gut. And it's not simply because I didn't get what I wanted. It's because it became very clear to me that what I thought I was seeing and what Joss and Marti and Fury etc thought they were writing didn't resemble each other very much. There was a fundamental disconnect, and it was made clear interview after interview, but I fanwanked. What they were saying, and what I saw on screen didn't seem the same. Then, they got insistent about it and created Seeing Red. There was no ambiguity about that.

I can't be happy with subtext, because I can't trust the subtext that I see. I've had it brought home quite clearly that what I think I see and what Joss and Co think they are writing are not necessarily the same thing.

By the time Season 7 rolled around I swore that I'd stop searching the negative space and stop trying to read between the lines, because I'd misread, and misread badly. So Jossian subtext no longer works for me (or, based on her post, Barb). We read subtext and then were brutally told by the text (and the writers) that what we thought we saw was not true. It's why so many people left the fandom in that time period.

I hope this isn't true again. I truly, sincerely do. I want all of these explanations and insights to be correct and born out in the story. I truly do. I would really like that. But it's a bit like the fanficcy-ish dialog that popped in my head yesterday as I imagined a scene of Buffy actually asking him why he did not call.

S:"Had no hope left to lose."
B:"Nothing to lose? Then why not call?"
S" 'Cause I'm lying. Obviously. It was the last thing left in the box when everything else got away. And even if I couldn't believe... what you said, I wanted to. And I didn't want reality to kill that hope dead."
Edited 2010-09-03 06:30 (UTC)

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. When it was created and deleted so fast, it definitely came off as 'troll'.

linked here from another place...

[identity profile] ohwaluvusbab.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
This is fantastic. I can definitely buy this. This is easily the reading that makes the most sense.

I think I'm where you are - right now, the only thing I have any faith in at all is Spike. Par for the course, really.

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