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A really great and thought-provoking issue. Lots of layers and harmonic convergences. It’s also likely to be one of those episodes that take on a different shape depending on how the story unfolds afterwards. But here are some preliminary thoughts:

     First,  the surface of the story is a brutal critique of modern media. Any story can be spun in any direction. It’s not just “reality” TV that does this, it’s the journalists as well (see Anderson Cooper calling it “keeping them honest” when he brings in the person who’s spinning the story to come in and keep spinning.) 

     But one layer down we have to ask how this story is being spun. Harmony, recall, was a borderline figure in the battle between good and evil. She tried at W&H to be one of the good guys. And while she failed, she could rightly argue that nobody gave her a chance. Is it a coincidence that her first line here is “But I want in”? Or that the bouncer, who is suspiciously drawn to resemble Angel, tells her that he can’t help her and that animals are not allowed in the club? A lot of people have wondered about whether or not there wasn’t a tinge of racism to the idea that vampires are just evil (and slayable) while humans are not slayable no matter how horrible they can be. Surely a Warren is less redeemable than a Harmony. The point is underscored when we observe that in this issue Harmony goes on to embody the kind of “ambiguous evil” that Giles doesn’t think is worth fighting in Into the Woods. She’s sucking on people but not killing them; making them weak but it’s a weakness they choose. Definitely not a good thing. Maybe even an “evil” thing. But does it merit the death penalty? Cause that’s what La Cuchilla tries to impose on her. We are spun through Buffy’s POV, so it is natural for us to be horrified when Harmony kills her would-be assassin. But was it murder? Or was it self-defense? Or a bit of both? 

     We can also look at the scene when La Cuchilla breaks out of the gang. Her heroic escape. But it’s not clear from the picture whether she just knocked the girls in the gang unconscious, or whether she killed them. How many of us even pause to ask what happened to those girls? Or consider, what does Andrew tell La Cuchilla to convince her that vampires should be expunged from the world? They aren’t nice people, he says (no empathy or connection); they prey on the weak.   Plenty of humans meet those descriptions.  Buffy has at times met both those descriptions in the past, with the lack of connection part being a live issue in this series. We don’t think humans should be slain for having hard hearts and a bit of ruthlessness; yet we are to cheer when La Cuchilla leaps from Andrew’s description to the conviction that vampires should be exterminated. If she went after a garden-variety vampire it wouldn’t be so jarring. But she goes after Harmony, who is the very representation of the ambiguity of vampires in the ‘verse. We are meant to wonder about this, I think.

     Don’t get me wrong, though. I don’t think we are meant to seriously think that the slayers are villains. But I do think we are meant to see (a) why it’s plausible for some people to take them as villains and (b) that ambivalence is, perhaps, the appropriate response to those who use lethal force against characters who are “persons” in every meaningful sense of the word. That ambiguity has always been at the heart of the series. Espenson nails it beautifully here.

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Date: 2009-01-08 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
Good review, and your last paragraph really hits it. Vampires are evil; Harmony does behave ruthlessly. The Slayer she kills is in self-defence, and for that matter it's an accidental death, not dissimilar to Gigi's earlier, but she does look to have killed Andy Dick. But yeah, there are humans out here who are worse than her... arguably including the MTV executives who are simply delighted that Harmony killing and draining a 16-year old girl on live TV was a ratings sensation. And if genuine villains like vampires can be spun into heroes, it does make you wonder about the power of the press to distort reality in either direction.

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Date: 2009-01-09 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Thanks! I really couldn't tell if Harmony killed AD, and it does make some difference in how I would think about the issue. Same for the girls in Soledad's gang. As for the press's power to spin: the scary thing about the Anderson Cooper bit was that he often "keeps them honest" by having the spinmeisters on to spin.

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Date: 2009-01-08 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
Great review - I had to reference it in mine. ;-) I agree with most of what you say, and I'm so glad someone picked this angle... it was definitely the most thought-worthy issue in some time.

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Date: 2009-01-09 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Thanks! I very much enjoyed your review also.

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Date: 2009-01-08 10:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
I liked this issue a lot, Maggie, enough to want to review it properly myself, which hopefully tells you something. Great review, though I'm not convinced we're supposed to question Soledad's actions in quite the way you suggest. Yes, we all like Harmony, but there were plenty of hints in the book to remind us that she's still a vampire and still evil. In fact, she reminds us in person when she's pitching her idea for a TV show.

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Date: 2009-01-09 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I look forward to your review! I agree that alongside all the ambiguity I mention that there are reminders that vampires are not hardly good people. I'd add to your point that Harmony expected her audience to side with the Slayer. But it does turn out to be not as obvious as you'd think to explain *why* vampires are "evil" or why they deserve death where we'd be horrified if humans doing the exact same thing were slain. And I love that Jane basically gives us both perspectives (i.e. the moral order in the 'verse is as it seems; but also not as it seems).

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Date: 2009-01-10 12:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
This is very true - and it's quite deliberate, as this interview with Jane makes clear (link via [livejournal.com profile] petzipellepingo. I love Jane. She's so smart.

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Date: 2009-01-10 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
Don't forget Andy Dick in the alley who looked like a heinous, bootleg William.

I'm actually working on an essay myself on "real" evil in the Buffyverse. Also, what of the slayer earlier in the Faith arc, who was killing slayers for practice or whatever the hell she was doing. The initial purpose of the slayer was to protect people from vampires who aren't necessarily evil, per se, but hunters of someone lesser on the food chain. But now that there is a significant number of these super human females, who will keep them in check? Clearly their view of good, bad or evil is skewed, and now they are something to be regulated--more so than vamps, because they are more apart of humanity. A lion who kills a human for whatever reason is less reprehensible (or not at all, really) than a human who viciously murders another human.

Also, it probably looks way worse since this is post Angel (the seemingly) vampire and his band of demons saved the day for LA.

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Date: 2009-01-12 01:33 pm (UTC)
ext_7259: (fate)
From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
it probably looks way worse since this is post Angel (the seemingly) vampire and his band of demons saved the day for LA.

Judging by recent events in AtF, Angel and his team are in an alternate dimension.

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Date: 2009-01-12 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
I thought it was a cloaking spell of some kind?

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Date: 2009-01-12 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
In issue 10 Betta George telepathically contacts his friends in Las Vegas and tells them LA is in hell. They switch on TV and see that everything is OK in LA. So it looks like Senior Partners sent characters into another dimension.

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Date: 2009-01-12 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
Yeah I know--but couldn't that be a cloak as well? Cause that's a whole lot of people to send to an alternate dimension--all different corners of LA. If they were just teleported to somewhere else, then wouldn't they have mentioned hundreds of thousands of people missing?

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Date: 2009-01-12 03:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Yeah I know--but couldn't that be a cloak as well?

Hmmm... It didn't occurred to me. Pretty possible.

If they were just teleported to somewhere else, then wouldn't they have mentioned hundreds of thousands of people missing?

Writers could dismiss it as a genre convention.. But, of course, you're right, there is still a possibility that they're in the real LA.

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Date: 2009-01-13 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
I look forward to your essay! (Though I do think that vampires are evil in a way that lions are not).

Allie did say that at some point we'll learn how AtF and season 8 tie together. Meanwhile, it's so open-ended I can't speculate. Was there a cloaking spell? A reset? We'll know soon, though.

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Date: 2009-01-12 01:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Great review.

consider, what does Andrew tell La Cuchilla to convince her that vampires should be expunged from the world? They aren’t nice people, he says (no empathy or connection); they prey on the weak. Plenty of humans meet those descriptions.

Interesting observasion. I haven't noticed it.

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Date: 2009-01-13 12:34 am (UTC)

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Date: 2009-01-12 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candleanfeather.livejournal.com
Here via Beer_good_foamy.

Great post. Your last paragraph really nails the ambiguity of the status of the vampire-characters sufficiently developped to be perceived as persons, or with visible human sides. One has to remark that Buffy was never never shown killing one of these (Dru escapes, Dalton is killed by the Judge, Spike... we know), except for the vamp prostitute, but then it was shown as problematic (and perhaps Holden, but the comedic aspect of the scene brushes any seriousness away).J Espenson's interview makes clear that it is also an angle that has to be taken into account.

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Date: 2009-01-13 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Thanks! You are right that there's a special weight on Holden's dusting. And I do think it was meant to be problematic. Some of the real serious points in the 'verse were made in "light" fashion. For example, the Scoobies couldn't distinguish Buffy from the Buffybot. You'd think we should dismiss it cause it's comedy -- but the next season raises lots of questions about whether the Scoobies really see Buffy.

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Date: 2009-01-17 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candleanfeather.livejournal.com
Hi, back again, I hope you won't mind, but if you have a little time, perhaps you'll be able to answer to my curiosity, which some of your remark awoke: though you're right to note that "Some of the real serious points in the 'verse were made in "light" fashion" (and somehow it's the case here as he reveals Spike's murders), I'm not convinced Holden's death was meant in itself to be problematic. So how do you see that?

May I friend you? I'd like to be able to follow your posts. In regard to my LJ, it's not very busy but I write meta from time to time and some fanfic.

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Date: 2009-01-17 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com
Friend away -- but as you can see, I don't post much either. Though I do keep meaning to post more.

I'd have to watch CWDP again to give a proper answer about whether there are cues in the show that say we are supposed to see it as problematic. But I recall that there's that sad music by Angie Hart, and a montage at the end showing all of this to be pretty much of a downer. In the text, they have this exchange:

HOLDEN: Oh, it makes every kind of sense. And it all adds up to you feeling alone. But, Buffy, everybody feels alone. Everybody is, until you die. Speaking of... you ready for our little death match?

BUFFY: I suppose. Thanks, for listening.

HOLDEN: Oh, you know, there's some things you can only tell a stranger.

BUFFY: You're not a stranger...

(Buffy Dialogue Database: such a handy website).

She goes on to dust a guy who is not a stranger to her, to whom she has told her most intimate secrets. That's ooky. It's even ookier when we realize that she told him her most intimate secrets BECAUSE she was going to dust him. So she uses him as a PERSON, with the 100% full intention of disposing with that person afterwards. And this exchange which establishes him as "not a stranger" moves immediately to the reveal that Spike is killing again. Which is heavy matter of itself. So, yeah, I think we are meant to take it seriously.

As I come to think of it, though, this is NOT the first PERSON Buffy has killed. Two episodes prior, she runs Anya through with a sword. And that is definitely meant to be disturbing. So much so that they don't quite let that death stick. So I do think it's an issue. One that really doesn't get addressed again in season 7, but which is gurgling up here in season 8.

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Date: 2009-01-18 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candleanfeather.livejournal.com
Thank you for the explanations. I won't follow you in your conclusion about why she confides to him, but there sure was some sadness interlaced with the comedy in their encounter.

Thank you also for the friending. :-)