I think, and having done it myself on occassion I can see how it can happen, that you may be overanalyzing and wanting details. Keep in mind the medium is fairly limited. It's not the same as a novel. And even in novel's they leave gaps.
Buffy, if you remember, did not tell us everything. We were not told what happened when she and Angel met in S6, all we got was fried food and discomfort. And we never got Spike's reaction to what Willow did to Warren or for that matter - Faith and Willow discussing things. Nor was it explained why Xander, Giles, Willow and Dawn would let Faith take over in S7. They leave a lot up to the imagination.
This is a long ass way of telling you that if you are expecting Lindsey or Drogyn to be mentioned again? Don't. The writers feel they've dealt with it in Powerplay and NFA. I strongly get that feeling. Also, I don't think they are necessary - because Angel continues to make the same mistakes, he is still both people even human.
That was the point of Angel becoming human - to show that vampire or not - Angel is who he is. It's what he told Buffy in Amends - it's not the vampire that needs killing, it is the man. She didn't get it, until Enemies, in which Angel played Angelus a bit too well. Fans don't get that, they think Angel is two people -- because in part that is what Angel keeps telling himself. But Angelus won't ever leave.
The difference between Angel and Spike is Spike doesn't see himself as two people. Also the person Spike always struggled with is not the killer or his father/authority figure, but rather weak poet William and his relationship with his mother - who he destroyed attempting to save. Spike tried to save his beloved parent and turned her into a demon that rejected him and wanted to devour. So he staked her. Angel ran from his parent, stole, did everything to hurt him, and came back to eat and torture him and his family. Angel never goes by Liam, he goes by the name his little sister called him before he killed her. Holtz and the Master reminded Angel of his own father and he did everything in his power to best them.
Angel - human or not, soul or not, still has the same problems. Every friend he has - he kills or gets killed. Gun, Fred, Cordeli, and Wes. Heck even Gwen and Connor.
Gun without a soul is actually still a better man than Angelus. He doesn't want to turn people into monsters, he wants to save everyone. He's in a way a reflection of Angel in S5 and Angel now.
Angel's own actions have made things worse. When he locates Spike - he doesn't do it to see if Spike is okay or Illyria is - but to accuse them of killing a demon. Spike and Illyria understandably rip him a new one.
To give him credit - he is trying. He's just so unself-aware. WRH turn him human - partly as punishment and partly to show him that it doesn't matter.
Gunn - I saw - as a condemnation of Angel and Angel's actions. Almost to a point in which I laughed out loud. Except, Gunn is a bit smarter than Angel - due in part to the brain upgrade that he still has - one of the consequences of the mind wipe.
Yes - the consequences are there. Angel is still paying for it. Illyria exists in part because of it. Wes is dead because of it. And Gunn is well where he is because of it. Taking on WRH did not solve the problem.
And the world Angel returns to...is well, not what you may think.
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Re: Angel...-and Spike
Date: 2009-01-25 01:08 am (UTC)Buffy, if you remember, did not tell us everything. We were not told what happened when she and Angel met in S6, all we got was fried food and discomfort. And we never got Spike's reaction to what Willow did to Warren or for that matter - Faith and Willow discussing things. Nor was it explained why Xander, Giles, Willow and Dawn would let Faith take over in S7. They leave a lot up to the imagination.
This is a long ass way of telling you that if you are expecting Lindsey or Drogyn to be mentioned again? Don't. The writers feel they've dealt with it in Powerplay and NFA. I strongly get that feeling. Also, I don't think they are necessary - because Angel continues to make the same mistakes, he is still both people even human.
That was the point of Angel becoming human - to show that vampire or not - Angel is who he is. It's what he told Buffy in Amends - it's not the vampire that needs killing, it is the man. She didn't get it, until Enemies, in which Angel played Angelus a bit too well. Fans don't get that, they think Angel is two people -- because in part that is what Angel keeps telling himself. But Angelus won't ever leave.
The difference between Angel and Spike is Spike doesn't see himself as two people. Also the person Spike always struggled with is not the killer or his father/authority figure, but rather weak poet William and his relationship with his mother - who he destroyed attempting to save. Spike tried to save his beloved parent and turned her into a demon that rejected him and wanted to devour. So he staked her. Angel ran from his parent, stole, did everything to hurt him, and came back to eat and torture him and his family. Angel never goes by Liam, he goes by the name his little sister called him before he killed her. Holtz and the Master reminded Angel of his own father and he did everything in his power to best them.
Angel - human or not, soul or not, still has the same problems. Every friend he has - he kills or gets killed. Gun, Fred, Cordeli, and Wes. Heck even Gwen and Connor.
Gun without a soul is actually still a better man than Angelus. He doesn't want to turn people into monsters, he wants to save everyone. He's in a way a reflection of Angel in S5 and Angel now.
Angel's own actions have made things worse. When he locates Spike - he doesn't do it to see if Spike is okay or Illyria is - but to accuse them of killing a demon. Spike and Illyria understandably rip him a new one.
To give him credit - he is trying. He's just so unself-aware. WRH turn him human - partly as punishment and partly to show him that it doesn't matter.
Gunn - I saw - as a condemnation of Angel and Angel's actions. Almost to a point in which I laughed out loud. Except, Gunn is a bit smarter than Angel - due in part to the brain upgrade that he still has - one of the consequences of the mind wipe.
Yes - the consequences are there. Angel is still paying for it. Illyria exists in part because of it. Wes is dead because of it. And Gunn is well where he is because of it. Taking on WRH did not solve the problem.
And the world Angel returns to...is well, not what you may think.